I seriously feel a little sick reading this. Like Paris Hilton fragrance sets, it seems like there is a new version of the Chris Brown/Rihanna story being released every ten minutes. This most recent edition is one of the more disturbing:
Now MediaTakeOut.com can EXCLUSIVELY report that Rihanna does NOT want Chris Brown to be criminally punished for the alleged assault. According to an EXTREMELY reliable insider, Rihanna is NO LONGER assisting investigators in their criminal case against Chris Brown.
Unfortunately for Chris, that’s probably not going to make the charges go away. Police claim that, on the scene of the incident, Rihanna identified Chris Brown as the man who assaulted her. Additionally, police have physical evidence. MediaTakeOut.com can OFFICIALLY CONFIRM that Rihanna’s face and arm were severely bruised in the incident and Chris suffered from minor bruising as well.
In fairness, the New York Daily News is reporting it completely different:
Rihanna is providing “ongoing” cooperation with detectives, who are building a domestic violence case against Brown, a police source told the Los Angeles Times.
Yes, the case would move forward without Rihanna’s participation. However, getting a conviction will be much more difficult without her testimony. Rihanna, you have to do it, not only for restoration of your own self-esteem, but for all the young girls that look up to you. And to make sure that (alleged!) bastard serves time.
Wow. What the HELL is going on with her boobs? Blech.
Who knows maybe the allegations are false…
I mean i don’t think so.
But maybe?
caops dont take photos of lie bruises, sweet pea.
I can understand wanting that to be true, just cause it means a person isnt hurt….
What the hell were you two kids fighting about?
Poor girl is on quite a rollar coaster right now.
Im willing to bet she can see her part in escalating a fight and has a bit of guilt since the result of the fight was so horrific for her.
Thats what is so dangerous though. Those feelings are natural because humans are deisgned to process thoughts and feeling on various levels….but lord it is never ok for ANYONE to lay hands on you like that.
If all reports are true, he’s a fucking thug. I really hope she nails his balls to the walls.
Finally, what I’ve been waiting for – “and Chris suffered from minor bruising as well.”. I have read all of the comments on all of the posts regarding this, and not one have taken that possibility into account. Maybe she hit him first?
I do not, in any way, believe that it is just for anyone to ever beat up another person, but I do also believe that women are capable of hitting men. It goes both ways, and I think that is just what happened here. They BOTH did something very wrong, but it is also wrong to put all the guilt on Chris if she hit him to AND if her hitting was not in self-defense.
And – she did not deserve it. No woman (or man!) being abused by a spouse “deserves” it. Period.
Bleh. Whatever. I think ppl should be nice to eachother. Is that so hard?
I see your point, but there is no word on WHERE he is bruised. I have never personally been in a physical fight, but I can imagine punching someone hard in the face will leave ‘minor bruising’ on your knuckles. And maybe she struggled, giving him ‘minor bruising’ on his body while trying to defend herself? And what Rihanna got was FAR worse than minor if the reports we’ve been seeing are true.
Whatever really happened, let’s just hope justice is served.
Look at it this way: “severely bruised” versus “minor bruising.”
We can’t know who hit who first, but clearly his bruises were no match for her injuries. And with that,
I am curious people’s opinion on the issue of whether there are different types of hitting. I’m sure that sentence alone is going to come across as super inflammatory, but in the interest of truth and opinion, I’m going to carry on.
My specific example is:
I admit – and I am not proud of this, ashamed to say the least – that I have hit my husband twice or three times over the course of the 5 years we’ve been together. He’s 6’4″ to my 5″2′ (which means the hitting I have done is like a frustrated pounding on his chest with both of my fists).
He’s never hit me back, in part because he’s a very loving and mature person, but also because, by his report, it doesn’t hurt him physically at all, and he knows if he hit me it would – so it never enters his mind as a response. In his mind it’s apples and oranges.
And I have to believe, since I am not a violent person (my sister and I got into a couple slap-fests in high school, but then, we shared a bedroom and were one year apart, so…) that part of me hitting him was knowing I wouldn’t hurt him. I mean – if I wanted to physically damage him, I’m sure I could figure out how. But pounding not-as-hard-as-I-could on his chest isn’t going to do it.
I’m not defending these incidents. Just curious of any other thoughts on whether there are distinctions.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Doesn’t matter if it barely hurts that kinda thing just gets worse with time but it’s not just the pain its the control and humiliation of such an act, male or female.
dont hit your man. its NEVER ok. unless he is stepping out of you, then feel free to run him over a few times.
A guy hits *way* harder than a woman (with a few exceptions like maybe if Michael Jackson was doing the hitting). But anyhow, love is not abuse and I hope she stays away from him.
I don’t condone violence. I don’t like abusive relationships.
And I agree, she should continue on just so the girls and women who look up to her can have a role model so when something like this ever happens to them they know its ok for them to speak up and get the bastard in jail.
I’ve stayed out of the comments on this one. Mainly because there isn’t a whole story yet, but also because some of them made me sick to my stomach.
I don’t care who hit who first, a few bruises is nothing compared to what they are reporting she looked like. Neither of them are right in this, but he beat the shit out of her. Does that still make him the victim?
exactly! We were posting similar thoughts at the same time.
and hey – are icons are both fish! lol
I’ve spent this whole time thinking your icon was a lion tamarin or something like it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Golden_Lion_Tamarin_Leontopithecus_rosalia.jpg/800px-Golden_Lion_Tamarin_Leontopithecus_rosalia.jpg
See?
Always thought it was a odd mask
OMG! I always thought your icon was some strange clown dude. like the clowns face, then the fins as the ears and the white stuff around the hair. heheh fish…wouldn’t of known….
of course she isn’t, this is all too often the case in domestic violence situations. Too often the victim does not want to press charges.
And even if she did hit him, it doesn’t seem to be anything compared to what he did to her. We don’t know who threw the first blow, but if she did it’s still not right for him to hit her back under the guise of “defending himself”. Defending yourself is blocking the hits, not biting someone and blackening their eyes.
I agree w/ you Eli – people need to be nice to each other! But I also agree w/ Wendie, even if Rihanna did smack him around, it was certainly not a fair fight and she needs to press charges.
Isn’t he into Martial Arts or something? So much for “fair fight”… if she hurt him first, she is not a whit better than him, but you are totally right, defending yourself is blocking the hits not beating the shit out of a weaker person… and if there was domestic violence in his childhood he should all the more be attentive when getting in situations like that (arguments)… gosh, I don’t want to imagine a martial artist going ballistic…
My husband is a martial artist and is a MASTER at blocking hits. Even when I am just playing around trying to tickle or whatever, he blocks with such speed and power that I get bruises on my arms from the blocks. However, he STILL maintains that if a girl ever hit him, he would hit her back.
That’s a bunch of crap isn’t it?
Whatever happened to walking away???
@ Erin: Indeed, that IS a bunch of crap. ;) Equal rights of men and women should theoretically include behaviour in fights, too. I totally get the point, the problem is, that – in most cases – men DO have more power as they are taller and so on… So when a woman beats a man, for a man to defend himself it might be enough to just hold the woman tight or something. In most cases. Correct me if I’m wrong…
“Whatever happend to walking away” – very beautiful sentence. Whatever happend to stop beating someone up, when it is obvious that he has had enough. My parents keep telling me, that this used to be an unwritten rule…
Um, offtopic.
You are right. Defending yourself is blocking.
My sisters friend recently got pretty badly bruised by his girlfriend when she went apesh*t during a fight and effed up his place and everything. He never once hit her back though. Thats just not what you do.
I don’t condone a woman hitting a man either though, don’t get me wrong.
Isn’t Rhianna a part of JayZ’s little group of thugs? Is it just me or does anyone else think that Chris Brown should be scared shitless right now? I’m not saying that violence is the answer, but perhaps somone should put a little sumthin’ sumthin’ on him and make him feel the way she did when he was beating her down. If I were Chris Brown, I would be runnin’ for the hills right now.
Since when does Jay Z have a group of thugs? What thugs? Kanye? I think you’re confusing him with Suge Knight. Now that’s a scary dude. When Snoop left his label, he sent a group of guys to beat the crap out of him. 50 Cent has also been known to use his former gang ties for retaliation. But Jay Z? He’s cleaned up his act and wants to be known and respected as a businessman. Not exactly possible when you are running with a bunch of thugs.
I’ve read in more than one source that she’s refusing to answer some of the police’s questions (such as the basic why they were fighting in the first place). I don’t know guys, I think she’ll probably end up not pressing charges. I mean, she might have more name recognition, but he has more money so this could drag out for a while. And maybe she doesn’t want to drag it out. Maybe she just wants to forget about it.
I am glad to hear he has bruises though. I’m very glad she fought back.
“… glad to hear he has bruises though.”
Do you really mean that statement? Domestic violence can go both ways. Women can also be guilty of it. It is not a one way street. We just dont hear many stories about it because it is usually not reported or taken seriously when it is directed at a man. Women do not have the right to physically assault a man which I have a feeling took place and provoked Chris’ actions. Rhianna seems like the clingy, jealous type and rumors have been going around for weeks now claiming Chris Brown was breaking it off with her. Some claim that her PR team begged Chris to wait until after the Grammy’s to separate himself from her.
You “have a feeling” Rhianna physically assaulted him? Are you Miss Cleo?
Meanwhile, you are saying she “seems like the clingy, jealous type” and so that is why someone was provoked to bash her face in. People love to blame victims, I’m not sure why. So many rape cases never go to trial because nobody wants to put themselves through the mudslinging that happens in court against the victim explaining all the reasons why she was asking for it.
And the “hitting first” argument is garbage anyway, because of the physical (and of course emotional) damage done to Rhianna. He is physically bigger than her, and capable of doing real harm to her. If an 8 year old punched me first, I still do not have the right to then repeatedly punch that 8 year old in the face all because I was provoked. Even if that 8 year old were a clingy and jealous type. Even if that 8 year old left some minor bruising on me.
I have tried to put off commenting on this story, but is it getting really uncomfortable to think of this kind of abuse as gossip. And some of the comments on here are comments you would expect in a gossip item, and so grossly inappropriate for serious physical abuse. I do not want to attack you, Resse, but I think you are very naive about the seriousness of this crime, and the emotions it brings out in others, and ought to be careful with what you say.
I am glad, however, that this story IS so public because it makes it a lot harder for Rhianna to go back to Chris and pretend it didn’t happen; for her to excuse his behavior because she loves him. This is, sadly, so often the case with domestic abuse. Hopefully she’ll have a huge support system of people keeping her strong in breaking it off with someone she loves but who abused her. And hopefully Chris can receive help as well, so he never hurts another woman again.
This is not an endorsement of domestic violence at all…BUT if it was a woman hitting a man, Would you all be as upset? Most comments seem to center on “a man should not put his hands on a woman”. How about NO one should be putting their hands on each other in violence. The fact that she is a woman- should not be the REASON she should not be struck. Alot of times both males and females put themelves in situations that we know are dangerous and unhealthy and we also sometimes have to take responsibility for the cause. I am in no way naive. I just dont agree with always putting the blame on the man BEFORE all of the facts are heard from both sides.
If Rihanna choked Chris Brown and bashed in his face so bad he had to go to the hospital, then yes, I would be upset.
And I still believe you are naive about domestic violence, the physical and the emotional. The fact that you are stressing how people are asking for it, or putting themselves in dangerous situations therefore they deserve the abuse. I should be able to have an argument with my boyfriend without being worried he might kill me because he is physically built bigger and stronger than I am. Just as I said before, I know I am stronger than the average 9 year old child. Unless that child was threatening my life or someone else’s life, I don’t really have a reason to choke the kid and bash his face in. Domestic abuse is also about power and emotional control. It’s a nasty, nasty part of life and it certainly cannot be simplified with a “she was asking for it” or turned into some ridiculous argument between the sexes. The fact is a much greater number of women are abused by their male partners than vice versa. This is not a feminist argument. And it has nothing to do with men, because real men don’t abuse their partners. The reason it’s upsetting that she’s a woman is because women are typically built less strong than men. When men attack women, they are doing so knowing they can cause great harm to someone who is not a physical equal and therefore cannot defend themselves adequately. It is a way of brandishing power as well, which is where emotional abuse comes in.
And furthermore, by calling you naive I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt for saying something as coldhearted and just plain idiotic as “she seems like a jealous and clingy type and that’s why it only makes sense that someone would beat her and choke her and put her in the hospital.” I’m guessing you are not coldhearted and idiotic, as you make comments that people should not be hurting each other in general. You just seem to be a bit ignorant of domestic abuse.
I just busted out laughing. “LIke Paris Hilton fragrance sets…..” HA! You really write some funny stuff a lot of the times, but this one just really got to me today.
hghsd
ok about this rihanna chris thing its geting in to me nobody kick someones ass for nothing. She must have dane something to make him so mad but nowomen must be biten bcz am girl to i fill your pain and am sorry. But chris am still your bigest fan 4 you 2 rihanna love you both hope do good aftr this bcz you are both greet looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove from your bigest fan
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We may forgive your bad spelling, but not the obnoxious “fogivvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ppppppppppllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”.
She needs to testify against this guy NOW before she ends up in the hospital, or dead even.
I called it. I said in one of the earlier threads that she could potentially be unwilling for him to get in trouble since she’s in love with him.
Women do the stupidest shit for love…
so i’m in no way an enabler, just someone who’s been through a similar experience. it would be great to press charges against him but it would be GREATER to get him some HELP. many of these young, especially black, men have grown up seeing violence every day and thought i’m not going to be like that. but they don’t know how else to be because that’s all they’ve seen. i have no idea if he went through that but the fact that he turned himself in and seems to be cooperating says that he knows he made a huge mistake. what he needs is mandatory anger management classes and lots of therapy. a couple of months in jail is only going to make him more volatile.
it’s normal if you get hit and smacked as a child and teenager to think that a slap is the way to end an argument with you [the hitter – nearly said slapper!] winning.
what i am trying to get across is don’t hit your children and they should grow up with a better grasp on why violence is wrong.
so true spob, and so hard to break the cycle. i read this in people
What makes the allegations even more shocking is that Brown has claimed his mother was physically abused by his former stepfather. “He made me terrified all the time,” Brown told Giant, adding, “I hate him to this day.”
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling this is a sick sick PR stunt cooked up by Jay Z (who’s they are all tight with)…do NOT get me wrong and I hope I am wrong….my heart truly goes out to her as no one has the right to lay a hand on anyone in anger, male, female, dog or cat; but I have a nagging feeling this could very well be a staged & new aged, stop America in it’s tracks, sick publicity stunt….and this talentless Chris took a check for being the nasty fall guy (talent can take you a long way, but he’s not, so best to cash in while possible).
But to play devils advocate, business wise this is a modern day Ike & Tina story that solidifies them in music history and WILL keep spotlights on them for many years to come, which will indeed generate more track/album sales. Both their music will be gone over with a fine toothed comb looking for evidence of their behaviors. Are there any signs in the music he’s made? Are their any cryptic lyrics? Does he get charged, hit the slammer then find god, convert and preach to the choir, then released from the klink & make his comeback with a sly different style of music honoring women? Does she hit the talk show circuit telling her story along with promotion of a new album that helped her in the healing process from such a traumatic experience? Jay Z get’s interviewed and camera time as he makes money off their albums as it all unfolds…the perfect smoke & mirror job.
What is a given that is guaranteed record sales? At least in this day & age? Drama. It worked for Tina Turner (who is one hell of a woman and artist who went through the real wringer). Fleetwood Mac benefited from their romantic drama between band members (no beating, but people bought records to see if they could hear any stories between the lines…and they will with these two.
I hope I’m off in left on this, but I wouldn’t put it past this Jay Z punk to pull something like this as it’s the perfect publicity storm for all involved which ends up in record sales and guaranteed spotlights.
I’m just putting it out there, I hope I’m wrong though…I hope she’s ok and charges the pants off him. But watch the sales numbers as it unfolds & we’ll see.
This is all so shocking. I just cannot imagine how much her face must hurt. It must have hurt really bad being hit by a strong man. Just praying that she stays away from him.
i saw a vid. on youtube of chris on tyra talking about how he grew up seeing his mom be abused (by some dude that wasn’t his dad) adnaehw s like “oh i would NEVER hit a woman because i watched it happen to my mom”.
Is it wrong a man to defend himself if he is being attacked? I absolutely do not condone what Chris brown has done but I also say there are 2 sides to a story. Something happened. No one really knows till the facts come out but I can’t pretend that I have no sympathy for him. Not just his career is over, but this young man’s life. He did not kill anyone but he is sure being treated worse than someone who has. I read death threats against him already. 19 yrs old. He should do the time of course but I feel really sorry for him b/c everything is just 10 times worse because he is a celebrity.
Ooops “Is it wrong *for* a man to defend himself it he…”
If she was being choked hard enough to lose consciousness her wounds on him were probably on his face from hitting him when she was being strangled. Want to talk about serious anger management. She would be doing everyone a huge favor by pursuing this and get the idiot in to a program before he kills someone. You lose control like that you have some serious deseeded mental problems.
I have never been a victim of domestic violence myself, but my sister was. It is as emotionally damaging as it is physically. My family and I had to go through it with her. Her ex would punch her in the stomach(while pregnant, mind you) so as to not show any marks. They have 2 boys together and 1 each from previous relationships, so a total of 4 young boys who had to watch that as well. Thankfully she finally woke up and left him. But abusers use fear to control their victims. Like with threats such as “I’ll kill you if you ever leave me”.
I am a modern woman and since women fought for equality they should get it. But seldom like it when they do. If a woman hits a man, she should be prepared to be hit back! And vice versa. It is a double standard to think it’s ok for a woman to hit a man with no retaliation. If someone hits me I’m hitting back! So the best way to avoid that is keep your hands to yourself during an argument!
I don’t want anyone to think I support domestic violence(I don’t-the first time a man hits me will be his last!) Obviously a man is bigger and stronger, meaning WOMEN-STOP FEELING FREE TO HIT MEN BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY WON’T HIT BACK! My husband and I have been together for almost 10 yrs. We’ve had some big arguments, but neither of us(we are both hot-headed) has ever hit the other. I’m not at all saying Rihanna was asking for it, and even if she hit him, obviously he went WAY beyond a slap back.
But the fact still remains that neither partner should hit the other. Plain and simple.
P.S. There are some women who physically overpower their men and abuse towards men is actually more prevalent than most people think. As previously stated, a lot of men don’t report it.