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Oct 16, 2008 at 12:38 am by Evil Beet
Meet Joe the Plumber, the man made an unwitting international superstar on Wednesday night during the Presidential debates. This is the discussion that McCain was referring to all night. (That is, when he wasn’t referring to his evil nemesis, The Planetarium.)
Expect this guy to be interviewed by everybody over the next week.
He’ll make so much in interview fees he’ll wind up getting screwed by Obama’s tax plans whether or not he buys that plumbing business!
So if Joe the Plumber is a real dude, who is Joe Six-Pack? And could somebody please clarify for me if Joe Six-Pack has a six-pack of beer or, like, really great abs?
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Obama was a bit rattled, but he handled it well. Its tough to meet and greet those that dont agree with you. But he explained why so well, its just common sense.
When did Joe the Plumber quit Ghost Hunters?
hahahahaha… really great abs… HAHAHA
Poor Joe the plumber doesn’t want to pay his taxes. How can he ever afford his third property in Florida? Oh noooos!
So yeah dickhead you will have to pay a little more to help the less fortunate. Poor baby.
I love it! That was fascinating to watch, thanks for the clip, Beet. God, while I was watching the debate tonight, after the third time McCain said the words “Joe the Plumber” I knew that plumber-guy was gonna be talked about like mad as soon as the debate wrapped. I bet that guy gets all kinds of talk-show invites and interview offers after this! Joe the freakin’ Plumber…
That was really interesting to watch. Come to think of it, when politicians do town hall meetings, it would be cool to see them have conversations with people, instead of answering a question here and a question there. The guy really pressed Obama and Obama handled it well.
He just gained some more of my respect. I like the way he threw in the “trickle up theory”.
I love you obama! I’m not going to hide it anymore!
lol @ down unda!
Here’s the problem…the income is taken from the top line.
So say Joe’s plumbing business makes 265K
He has two employees that he pays 50K, plus a salary for himself of 60K
That leaves him with 105K for operating expenses. Which might be enough except 39% of 265K is 103.35K. So he actually has $1650 for his expenses all year. Even IF he cuts his salary as the President, CEO and liability holder down to 50K he doesn’t have enough with just 11K to run his business. This doesn’t count any health care either, with is probably mandated if he hires union workers. Doesn’t count union dues which he has to pay as the business owner. So yeah, making an excellent salary of 50K – which is about $16/hr if you assume 60 hrs/wk – to run a business that after you pay your taxes may end up putting $100 in the bank sounds great. He couldn’t buy a condo in Florida on that, he couldn’t even rent one for a night.
Joe the plumber is an asshole. FYI, the Plumber’s and Pipefitters Union ENDORSES Obama. Just an FYI and yes Joe, you may have to “struggle” to live on $250k a year.
Idk, but hes from Toledo and so am I… I’m pretty embarrassed about it actually
Joe doesn’t make 250k a year. He also said that Obama tap dances almost as well as Sammy Davis Jr.
Joe is not even registered to vote!
GO OBAMA!
so let me get this straight – he’s only going to get his taxes raised on the amount OVER $250K – which he said is approx. $28K. The tax rate for amount over $250K is 36% right now, and it’s going up to 39%. That means 3% on $28K which is a whopping $840. He’s complaining about $840? That would be covered by one house call on a Sunday – which is when everyone’s plumbing takes a dump, so to speak ;)
I believe what he said was that the company makes a little over 250k. But maybe he still has to pay employees after that.It is a little harsh to call someone an asshole when he has worked very hard for his money. He’s not exactly rich. Also of course the union is for Obama. He is a Chicago democrat after all.
probably planted there by the republicans, wouldn’t put it past them
Possibly, but usually Republican plants have guns in their hands.
I thought Mario was the most famous plumber in the world.
turns out joe isn;t even registerd to vote.
Another thing I think people need to keep in mind… Living on the coasts gives one a skewed sense of just how far $250,000 goes in the middle of the country. Someone making $250,000 dollars in Ohio is doing far, far better than someone making $250,000 in say… NY/NJ.
It IS all about helping out people who are not doing as well as ourselves… Not to mention that it honestly sounds as though that $840 dollars he loses in income tax will be made up on the back end through tax credits and the elimination of his capital gains taxes.
People need to put things in perspective and look at the whole picture rather than focusing on one tiny PART of the picture.
I think Obama did well in explaining himself to someone who seemed obviously confrontational (and really, borderline disrespectful).
Joe sickpack is my husband
Oooh, angry white dude is mad because his life is soooo damned hard.
Why, Holly, is it Joe’s problem to take care of other people? It is NOT his responsibility to spread his own wealth!
And if I hear one more person whining about how Obama isn’t ‘respected enough!!! ARGH!! He put himself out there in the public eye and by G-d if he gets slighted or ‘disrespected’ then so be it – he’s got a thick skin, he’s a politicain for pete’s sake. The people being disrespected are the ones who are going to be taxed out the ass so Obama can spread the wealth to the poor masses.
@ Eyes of Green. Actually, I DO believe that as citizens of the WORLD, it IS our responsibility to take care of people who have less than we do… It IS our responsibility to put out our hand and help. So perhaps that’s just a difference of opinion… I think that as you and I sit here, concerning ourselves with “celebrity” gossip, there are people that do not have the luxury of a reliable source of FOOD, let alone high speed internet and a computer to access it.
Additionally, I think when you are so quick to put the label of “politician” on someone, you forget that they are, in fact, also a person… Everyone deserves to be spoken to with respect… even if they have a different opinion than you do. I guess what I was saying… Put yourself in the same position… Perhaps you’ve been there before? Someone approaches you and confronts you… It’s hard to keep your head about you… Obama seemed to and I was just saying, “Well done with that.”
Joe’s a real guy? i thought joe was simply the average joe on the street. Next he tell us he talked to jane the hairdresser…but am pretty sure he’ll be refering to the plain jane.
Thanks to DailyKos we now know that it turns out Joe is really Sam, doesn’t have a plumbing license and was nabbed for tax evasion. Not to mention being related to Charles Keating’s son-in-law. Heckuva job, Rovey.
Holly – first, are you a US citizen? If so, then that is your first allegiance. I know Obama has his followers feeling all warm and squishy about being ‘citizens of the World’ but we are citizens of the United States first and foremost…I am all for saving the world, however, I would rather do it from donations of my money than having it forcefully taken from me. I think I know better how to spend my own money. Maybe I would want it to go to the organazation that Beet was raising money for, and not to maybe fund some pork barrel project or go to a welfare pool to care for people who would rather draw food stamps than get a job. And please, don’t anyone say that there are NOT people like that, I’ve seen them with my own eyes.
Secondly, lest we forget, Obama IS a politician, so that is not some lable I’m just slapping around willy nilly. He’s been one for quite some time. Yes, EVERYONE deserves to be spoken to with respect. So let’s get some of that respect spread around to both sides of the campaign, shall we? I’ve seen very few left-leaning people on here being respectful of McCain or Palin. Yes, Obama did very well, he is a very smooth, cold, well trained politician. He also did not please Joe the Plumber with his response. And I wish people would wake up and smell the s o c i a l i s t agenda here.
@Eyes of Green. So we should all keep all of our money and dole it out for those programs we see fit to “donate” to?
Oh, sure, and how about we let corporations “police themselves”?
i thought obama did a great job with that guy. and i didn’t think joe was even “borderline” disrespectful… i don’t know why anyone would say that.
@ Lib –
No, my thought would be tax everyone at a flat rate, say 12 percent and then you’d still get more out of the rich and less out of the poor but one specific group would not be targeted because they are seen as ‘better off’. When you start trying to make everyone on the same level socially and economically, don’t we all start becoming robots? If everyone you knew all made 50,000 a year, regardless of what they did, wouldn’t that take away your drive to succeed? If you could work at the grocer’s checking groceries and make 50K or be an astronaut with a degree and years of military service and make 50K, some people would take the lazy road. It’s human nature. But the person who has the drive in them to excel in life and then they are punished by getting screwed with some huge tax hit, it may just compel people to move somewhere else. And if we lost all our inventors, innovators, big business, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and so on, it would be a dark day for our country.
According to public records, Mr. Wurzelbacher has been subject to two liens, each over $1,000, one of which — a personal tax lien — is still outstanding. Turns out that “Joe the Plumber,†as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday night’s third and final presidential debate, may run a plumbing business but he is not a licensed plumber. His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes a bit in back taxes. The premise of his question to Mr. Obama about taxes may also be flawed, according to tax analysts.
An official at Local 50 of the plumber’s union, based in Toledo, said Mr. Wurzelbacher does not hold a license. He also has never served an apprenticeship and does not belong to the union. (The national plumber’s union, the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, endorsed Mr. Obama, it should be noted.)
“He’s basically playing games with the world,†Thomas Joseph, the local’s business manager, said in a telephone interview Thursday morning.
And his question to Mr. Obama about paying taxes? According to some tax analysts, if Mr. Wurzelbacher’s gross receipts from his business is $250,000 — and not his taxable income — then he would not have to pay higher taxes under Mr. Obama’s plan, and probably would be eligible for a tax cut.
Seriously????? Now we are going to dig up dirt on an American citizen who had the brass balls to question the Messiah??? Really??? Is this how we excercise our freedom of speech? He had every right in the world to ask that question. This man will get run out of town now by the insane people who feel he has no right to ask a question and then question why this plan is bad for America.
Who cares what his past is? HE is not running for office!
Silly Republican…that’ll teach you to ask questions. Just let us take over now and everything will be alllll better.
He has the right to ask questions, I have my right to speak my opinion, we all have the right to public information on the web. Messiah? No. Best choice for president? Yes.
I forsee a reality show for this guy. Ironic isn’t it?
Really, because your opinion there sounds like you cut and paste it from some blog or ‘news’ story…
And Mr. Wurzelbacher has his Right to Privacy. Whether it be accessable by public records or not, why would this be important to anyone? What does his not having a plumbing license have to do with the election?
Yes it was a cut and paste. I thought it was interesting and thought others may find it interesting as well.
I see you like to argue. I don’t really have time today. People have different opinions. Writing long ass dissertations isn’t going to change people minds.
I’m not trying to change minds. I’m just interested in how the liberal mind functions.
And since I argue for a living, yeah, you’re so right. I think I was actually just asking questions and responding in turn.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/joe-plumber-more-joe-keating-family-
Eyes of Green, it is much much more than simply being disrespectful.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/mccainpalin-supporters-let-their-rac
what’d the guy at 4:40 say??? he has to go??
MissChessecake2008
so you work your ass off for years
you pay God only knows how much to educate yourself and your family so they can be successful and wealthy
and now you’re forced to spend all your hard earned money, not on your enjoyment, your children, or your own health, but on lazy people across America so THEIR kids can go to college and have $200 shoes…. i think not
it’s funny how you libs are all about change yet refuse to hear a different side of any story
also, you seem to feel its your business to pick people apart, but the second we ask a hard hitting questions to obama, a man who CHOSE to put himself in the public eye, and you’re all dying
eyes of green, you are the only person who’s comments i can stomach any more
@ Eyes of Green and everyone else here who doesn’t think they should be helping out their neighbors.
Are they not also US citizens? Shouldn’t the goal to be to level the playing field, so that your fellow American citizens can also enjoy having a roof over their heads, food on the table, clean clothes to send their kids to school in? Shouldn’t you be concerned about making sure children are getting the best education possible? So they can shape the future with the best tools possible?
That the old lady down the street can afford her arthritis medicine? ?
Or do you want to continue to hoard your so called hard earned money, and live beyond your means?
Oh I forgot, as long as you have your grande non fat latte then you don’t give a fuck about anything else.
That attitude is what turns so many non Americans against your country and culture. You barge in with your idea of whats right and whats wrong, but you can’t see the forest for the trees. That really puts people off you know.
hilary- uh how much education is involved in becoming a plumber? it’s not like the dude had to go to med school. and he, apparently, is not even licensed. I’m just sayin’. “you pay God knows how much to educate yourself”—- that is specifically what I am responding to. I am not trying to pay that plumbers are stupid or anything. I’m just saying…… what are you talking about?
and what do you have against poor kids? you think people shouldn’t have the opportunity to go to college unless they were lucky enough to be born into wealthy families?
i don’t really understand why this story is so big.
where are you getting this weird $200 shoes thing? Can I apply for that? Because I would love some expensive ass shoes. Is that where you think tax money goes?
and to Eyes of Green- please do not pretend to be SHOCKED that people are looking into his background. like this wouldn’t have happened if this story involved McCain and not Obama. Oh f*cking please. Both sides do shit like this. It’s just silly to deny it. Neither party is clean.
and people are picking apart every little thing they can about EVERYTHING. hello, like Obama’s neighbor when he was 8? I mean, come on. This happens everywhere. Like you are so f*cking shocked.
*to say that. ugh I hate typos.
its funny how i know of people who are on food stamps but they wear more expensive shoes than i own. so no, our taxes do not buy expensive shoes[i, too, would apply] but they do buy food for people who are too immature to get their priorities straight enough to buy food for their fams instead of material things
and as far as the education comment–
1. i was referring to any and all Americans who work hard for their money and are forced to share it
2.plumbers DO INDEED go to school. it may not cost as much as a state university or ivy league but its school and its money and that’s that… it’s ignorant of seem people to deny that.
3.i was referring to families like mine who do have educations and have to pay taxes to support the freakin’ world
both parties have their dirty moments… it’s not that looking back into all that is dirty. the point we are trying to make is that looking into john McCain or obama’s backgrounds…. that’s fine
looking into a random citizen of the us who asked some smart questions…. totally pointless and obnoxious and unfair
also, i have nothing against poor kids
in fact, i have many many friends who live in the projects.
however, their parents work their asses off to get them everything in the world they deserve… therefore, i don’t mind ever helping them with anything
however, i have class mates who live in the projects with a totally different story… aka–i wish i had as much free time as their parents do
it must be nice
Hilary you are so full of crap.
man you sure know a lot of people who live “in the projects.”
I didn’t say that they don’t go to school (although, sometimes they don’t- they may just apprentice or something). OBVIOUSLY there is learning involved in the trade. but again, it’s not as intensive as, example, being a doctor or lawyer.
oh and my friend (Nate) is a plumber. and didn’t go to school for it at all (his father was a plumber, so just taught him). so yeah. I’m not being ignorant. You just don’t always have to attend school for such trades. whereas one would HAVE to go to school to become a doctor. you can’t just “learn” from someone and open up your own practice. you NEED a degree…….
ok, so you don’t mind helping out people who live “in the projects” who “work their asses off,” but clearly do not want to help those that live in the same area and don’t try. correct? but what about their children? Is it the kids’ fault if their poor parents are lazy, or just unlucky? should we just shun these children, and make sure that they themselves never have a chance of a better (or at least more financially secure) life?
most people work hard for their money. we are all forced to “share” it with taxes… just like we all benefit from government programs at one time or another.
and fyi, you (seem to be) the one with the struggling friends, not me. Isn’t it a bit ironic that I seem more open to helping your friends than you do?
Hmm.